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Worlock Member	posted 09-15-99 11:56 AM Supplies --------- pseudo-ephedrine - clean it up any way you can Sodium thiosulfate - chem pool supplies, also photo hypo solution iodine - water purification kit or tincture HCl - muriatic acid pool supply tubing - aquarium supply glass containers Method ------- Drip HCl into glass container of I2 to produce HI heat slightly so HI goes up hose into container of pseudo-ephedrine, continue this refluxing the HI pseudo for 24 hours you could hurry it up with a pinch of RP. After the 24 hour period extract the iodated methamphetamine into a non polar solvent after adding lye to the iodometh, extract with pure water and a bit of HCl, reflux in sodium thiosulfate to remove the I- from the meth. Purify the meth and you will have dope comparable to some of the finer HI/RP smokables. All from Wall-e-world products Hard to believe? no not at all. Wait, and see if this method is the otc tweek special by the end of next year.
newbee boy Member	posted 09-15-99 12:50 PM Worlock, (I am not worthy) just one question for you my friend. what is sodium thiosulfate used for in pools? Is it common and I would assume it is inconspicuous but I wanna know what I'm buying it for (my pool I mean). Am I correct in thinking it is added after reaction complete and dh2o added then RP should have fallen out then reaction mix is filtered and then sodium thiosulfate is added to neutralize (is that the right word)the iodine left and then basified meth freebase extracted.. does this sound like right order? Most interested in thiosulfate though as the shaved monkeys say they can't stand that red fuckin shit that they see around and want theirs as clean as possible. Thanks in advance Worlock You are my guiding light suck,suck sorry this is not really about your thread but I didn't want to start new one and knew you'd be here ! NB>out ------------------ newbeeboy@hushmail.com
FMAN Member	posted 09-15-99 04:23 PM I got two questions.....we be watching THIO? ----------STARTING METERIAL----------------- Is the powdered freebase in reaction vessel before the Hi is gassed inthere?
gemini33 Member	posted 09-15-99 05:22 PM newbee sodium thiosulfate is used to remove extra bleach (chlorine). For example: in the lab we clean all equipment with 10% bleach, but the we wipe it down again with a solution of sodium thiosulfate to remove the bleach which keeps the equipment from being corroded by the bleach (salts). Thats what we use it for. gem
mrr pyrex Member	posted 09-16-99 07:36 AM yep bening as how ive been in pool business, i can second that it wouldn't make even a DEA agent look twice...All you do is walk in and say either you shocked your pool and chlorine level is too high and you need to reduce it, or you added wayyy to much chlorine by accident and need a bottle of Sodium Thiosulfate to bring level down to acceptable level. Recalling from foggy memory i believe the dosage was 1 ounce per 10,000 gals water to drop level 1ppm. You can also get it from photo shop and cheaper, usually you just scoop it out and they'll sell it to you by the lb, if you are afriad they will ask something you can't responde to just say"my older brother is into photo developing and asked me to get it for him and he said it was easy enough to find that even I couldn't screw it up", you'll probably get a laugh outta that and then out the door. Pyrex out
kirby Junior Member	posted 09-16-99 09:22 AM could you please suggest a way to clean triodide from psuedo. (i.e. actifed)?
Worlock Member	posted 09-16-99 12:14 PM I get so jazzed that I write it to you all, before I really have a good handle on it. since it takes a long time to get a result. I hear about the new laws coming up and feel an urgency to clue you in on things. I had better qualify this as still in the experimental phase. But I will tell you that it has worked, and it does produce damn good (that means damn good) dope. As you know it is a chore just to get the ephedrine cleaned up, and when complete there is the isolating of pure meth. All the details are still sketchy to me. since it was spread out over a three day period Sometimes I order a pizza before bed and get indigestion which gives me these weird dreams. Next day I work it out in a couple of snapple bottles and this time I ended up with gold. This is one the DEA will have a hell of a time stopping. I guess I hope that some bastard bee will try and shoot it full of holes, that way I can refine and work out all the bugs. The Sodium thiosulfate I have seen only once in pool supplies at "home base" hardware store. There is home base , home express, and home xxx" it is available with no problems from a photographic shop as the fixer or hypo solution used to develop films. Two basic solutions are used to develop photos the first is the developer, the second is the fixer(hypo) it is sold by the ton or ounce dry or premixed, they don't even raise an eyebrow it is so dang common. In this case the thiosulfate is being used to strip the Iodine off the Methamphetamine. The Iodine was used to replaced the OH on the ephedrine by the long time refluxing with HI. Thiosulfate will break down in acid environments, so it is used at neutral to alkaline pH levels this is one detail I still am working out the best PH here, the second detail is the best way to approach the creation of HI, the third area that is incomplete is the length of time needed for the HI to react effectively. The E freebase was not used because it will use the HI to make the Iodine salt, but after re-thinking this it may help by removing the Cl from HCl and lending the H to the I2 to make HI, this will restructure the entire snapple design into maybe one bottle. My hope at this point is to be able to re-produce the prior results. The big advantage is no more phosphorous searching, squabbles and such. Imagine this if Iodine could be replaced by bromine or chlorine. WOW then it would be too simple to obtain the chemicals. Ever wonder why some web sites seem to be immune to being shut down by the DEA, notice that these sites always have a shitload of complicated methods that are sure to dampen anyones high spirits. What if, it is so damn easy, and we are all just baffled by so many saying it is hell to make, when you could ferment some E, distill the funk, and have Meth. Also in the works. MMMuahahahahahahahaah But however you do it, make the HI, reflux with ephedrine long term , add the thiosulfate in neutral to alkaline environment to remove the I from the meth then clean up the works. I will post to you all the details I can, but sometimes I have to walk away from chemistry and don't return for days. I hope you all will post what you find, too. It is often the failed reaction, and the reason it failed, that tells so much about the mechanism.
Worlock Member	posted 09-16-99 12:50 PM New bee boy , Yes it is the same thiosulfate that used in the HI /RP reaction to clear out the iodine. But thiosulfate breaks down into some nasty crap in acidic solution, so your sequencing is off, add the thiosulfate after addition of some lye. In the HI/RP reaction when the reaction is finished, dilute with a little distilled water Stuff a couple of cotton balls in the funnel neck and add 4 coffee filters. Mix up the reaction solution and pour it into the funnel, try to get the RP into the coffee filters, rinse the reaction flask with d-water and add to funnel. After filtering change the collecting vessel and re-filter the solution through the same filter paper containing the RP as before, the RP will absorb more of the Iodine, and it will come out less red, re-filter again the same way until filtering no longer removes any color. You should have a nice yellow color by this time. This also charges the RP with Iodine If your RP is not trashed with wax and crud don't even bother cleaning it, just dry it and run it in with the next batch. Add a bit of pre mixed lye and your nonpolar to the solution, the solution should have almost no coloring by this time, maybe just a golden yellow. *** add a few drops of thiosulfate check the PH of the lye water. ***** Next batch cut down on the amount of I2 you use, or if adding p/p solution toward the end add less.
Worlock Member	posted 09-16-99 01:09 PM Kirby, You mean Triprolidine HCl, and not triodide. Please accept this as friendly advise, get your terminology accurate, else your going to be ignored or someone will chew your ass out big time. Since you could not have possibly used the search engine effectively, with that spelling, try it again. Triprolidine when in the presence of iodine and subjected to heat will turn blue, this is the basis of smurf dope. I would bet it can be oxidized with H2O2 and the by products are volitile, but I have seen a better method listed here.
kirby Junior Member	posted 09-16-99 02:01 PM worlock thank you very much. in my haste, i used the wrong spelling from my less than perfect memory. and you are also right about the search engine thing. one other thing, what would be some good ratios to try on above method in a micro setting. thanks again
newbee boy Member	posted 09-16-1999 08:30 PM Thanks Worlock, as usual your patience and well written answers/explanations impress me! Thanks again and when that first ten oz batch is dreamt I will post results. I will make you proud! Dad! NB>out
gemini33 Member	posted 09-16-1999 09:00 PM Worlock Do you happen to know what the saturation point (weight/volume) of pseudo in solution is? I had some thoughts on extraction yields and that is when I thought of saturation. I missed you today, do you wanna come over and play? Do you promise to play nice??You can bring your hose, you know, the BIG one??? gemini
newbee boy Member	posted 09-16-1999 09:19 PM Thanks also (sorry) to you gemini33!!! Does that mean I call you mom? NB>out
gemini33 Member	posted 09-16-1999 09:41 PM Newbee, NO. gemini
Klean Member	posted 09-17-1999 05:33 AM Warlock you are the shit!!!!! This might be the answer to everyone of us new-bee's dreams. Whatever you do dont stop!!!!!! Sincerly, Klean Tweek on Tweeker As You Were
Worlock Member	posted 09-17-1999 06:35 AM Kirby, An excess of HI helps push the reaction. If using the ephedrine chloride salt 0.75(I2) : 1(E) would barely do it 1.5 (I2) : 1(E) is an excess and will be better, would be twice as much as is required The thiosulfate comes in so many forms it depends, but once again you will want an excess of thiosulfate to drive the reactiom thiosulfate is stable between pH 9 and 10 1.25(thio) : 1(E) will give an excess if it were more stable in acidic solutions it could be used to make HI 2S2O3= + I2 -> S4O6= + 2I- 2 electrons are passed to iodine if the pH is below 5 S2O3= + H+ <--> HS2O3- + S The lower the pH the faster is this reaction to the point that it could be potentialy hazardous. However I was able to add the acidic HI and Meth dropwise with stirring to the thiosulfate solution. I have not been able to get back to this yet I think it will be 2 more days before I can set it all up again
Worlock Member	posted 09-17-1999 07:18 AM Gemini, No I don't, and I am missing my Merck manual, It seems it remains liquid until the last second when evaporating then it all goes solid very quick, this is at elevated temperatures and so supersaturated. but before solidifying the Leonard effect can be seen on the cooler surface. What is the leonard effect you may ask? "Skynard" the skin forms on top of the sauce yuk.yuk So it is actually already saturated when evaporating and the elevated temp is holding it in solution. And Gemini I would very much like to come over and play, and I promise to play nice. However, I have one request of you, that you wear the suit you recieved on your birthday, the one with the single button in the front. I just love the way it looks on you.
spitball Administrator	posted 09-17-1999 07:30 AM freaks.
gemini33 Member	posted 09-17-1999 09:54 AM HAHAHAHAH Worlock, I promise, I'll wear that suit you like so much... gem
dwarfer Member	posted 09-17-1999 08:51 PM Fucking cutting edge again: What a brilliant guy. Gemini: So whats this about the big hose?? Does he have a small one that's a spare?? and what do he do when he DON'T play nice?? dwarfer
Worlock Member	posted 09-17-1999 09:20 PM Spitball - and the Afterbirth city connection, man your stuff is hanging out all over the souhern part of the state, and you be hanging wit this rev drone too? Wadmiester get a grip. tighten up the show.
Worlock Member	posted 09-17-1999 09:23 PM Gemini, What a pretty tan suit, blonde and baby blues. quite stunning
gemini33 Member	posted 09-17-1999 09:39 PM Worlock: You are so sweet! I am blushing...hehe Dwarfer: You'll have to ask Worlock about his BIG HOSE....As far as Worklock having a small hose, I dunno...If he does I've never seen it. heheh He (worlock that is) always does things in a BIG way! gemini
spitball Administrator	posted 09-18-1999 02:18 AM Worlock, What the hell you jiving me with now? shit I aint got no wraps up on you. Shiiiiit. It's all about the placentia. eat that cheese, baby. Pluck that banjo. On the Porkfried side, Aint no thing but a chicken wing. =spitball-
Hematite Member	posted 09-18-1999 02:28 AM Worlock, It's my understanding and certainly visually verified, that sodium thiosulphate requires acidic conditions to remove free Iodine. Any further comment on what breakdown occurs in acid cond. ? ------------------ Regards,Hematite.
Worlock Member	posted 09-18-1999 07:21 AM What kinda cheese ya got?
Worlock Member	posted 09-18-1999 08:10 AM After seeing that Sodium thiosulfate is used in acid solution by several hive members, I would like to find out what is going on. I'm not saying anything except let's look at it. Both authors that were recently read state that they use it on the acidic product. And yet the text reads quote: When Sodium thiosulfate is acidified, unstable thiosulfuric acid is formed. 2Na + S2O3= + 2H+ +2Cl- ->H2S2O3 + 2Na+ + 2Cl- The acid decomposes immediately into Sulfurous acid and Sulfur H2S2O3 -> H2SO3 + S I have seen several people mention adding Sodium thiosulfate to the reaction mixture to clear out iodine, prior to basifying the solution. So I wonder what is up? My association with Sodium thiosulfate has been in radiology, where it is the fixer in basic solution. The fixer is weakened by acid and has to be replenished, Also It is used as "antichlor" in paper making, and fabric bleaching. I only used it once to reduce I2 to I- when finished with an HI/RP reaction, in alkaline solution, and 1 drop cleared a lot of I2. 2S2O3= +I2 -> S4O6= +2I- You tell me? It won't be the first time I have been wrong. Maybe I'm missing something in the way it is being used as a reducing agent. It is oxidized(gives up electrons) to iodine(I2) which is reduced(gains electrons) to form two iodides(2I-). ????
Worlock Member	posted 09-18-1999 08:28 AM Spitball Ya still got any more of that one kinda cheese, the kind you serve to all the newbees?? Whats it called ...? I can never remember the dang name. Sorry mon, I did not mean to put you on red alert status. It is nuthin' I would not be ridin', jivin', or even shuckin' wit you, except in jest. You be OK, nothing is happening. We just happen to shop at the same store.
Worlock Member	posted 09-18-1999 08:34 AM Hematite, My friend, How do we resolve this? Certainly we don't have identical reference books. I am not sure I consider "Fester" a valid reference. Perhaps we can locate a web site, with the information, CAS or whatever.
Worlock Member	posted 09-18-1999 09:11 AM Sodium Thiosulfate and acids photography http://www.heylloyd.com/technicl/plain.htm Sodium Thiosulfate DNA sequencing with Sodium carbonate http://www.promega.com/tbs/tm023/tm023.html Sodium Thiosulfate remove betatine stains http://www.bornfloor.com/maint6.htm
Hematite Member	posted 09-18-1999 09:14 AM Sodium Thiosulphate as my feeble memory informs me, is citric acid . Fester is indeed my initial source on addition of this chemical in acid conditions, though I've heard it from others who's opinions seem sound. I know this-- a small amount will quickly clear a solution that is obviously iodine containing. What else it does I only wonder. ------------------ Regards,Hematite.
Worlock Member	posted 09-18-1999 10:52 AM Hematite, You say it works in acid solution, that's qualification enough for me. Now we know it works either way. Any by products come out, when the lye/water gets flushed. Since we would have noticed any sulfur in the product, were it otherwise. I had a feeling it was one of UF's books where I first ran into this. There is much BS spread around, I don't mind checking things out at the best opportunity. When I was a pup, I learned from you to: Be aware, of what I do, to not mindlessly just repeat useless motions.
rev drone Member	posted 09-18-1999 01:11 PM Sodium thiosufate (NaS2O3) reacts with elemental halides according to the following formula: Na2S2O3 + 4X2 + 5 H2O -> 2 NaHSO4 + 2HX -> 2NaX + H2O + S + SO2 ------------------ -the good reverend drone
Hematite Member	posted 09-18-1999 01:13 PM There is one thing that stays in my mind around using thiosulphate, that has no real basis beyond intuition for existing; I feel that as soon as enough of this is added and mixed to perform the task required, that one should continue processing immediately to stop continual reactivity. Perhaps some degredation begins when there is no iodine to react with ? Just a feeling. ------------------ Regards,Hematite.
Hematite Member	posted 09-18-1999 01:17 PM Hey Droney, Apologies for my comments to you recently, very much uncalled for and decidedly out of character. ------------------ Regards,Hematite.
dwarfer Member	posted 09-18-1999 02:01 PM Here I go again speculating on possible cross fertilizations between chemical processes iterated in diffferent threads. (Undoubtedly conditioned by my incoplete understanding of the chemical processes) ------------------- As Wizard x has described the methanol, ammonia, etc process using bubbled H2S to make mollases in high yield, in a bufferred solution with SO3 accomplishing the reduction, but with the hazards and smells of the rotten eggs permeating the environs and constituting what may in fact be an unacceptable inhalation hzard, it has been an interest of mine to see if the SO3 could somehow be made "in situ" [wrong term, but hopefully you know what I mean] Could the thiosulphate somehow be employed in this manner in his reaction to accomplish this?? A long shot, perhaps, but hopefully worthy of response. Rev?? Wizx?? thanks. dwarfer
spitball Administrator	posted 09-18-1999 05:20 PM Ahh, I believe your lookin for a plate of my famous spread of frumunda cheese. Mmmm Mmmm mmm good on crackers,balls and toast I hear. better than blue,I can tell you... mmmmmmm frumunda. the cheese that means business. -spitball-
FMAN Member	posted 09-19-1999 10:48 AM Hematite you are corect it is good to let it soak for a few and if ya do do so with some iodine in there with it I um got a dirty work up on it from a bunch of anfgles worked out the hard way, requires no skill or still?
dwarfer Member	posted 09-19-1999 01:15 PM GIGO I get it. <<<<<<Eating cheese but not enjoying it. munch munch munch (gag) munch

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